Comments on: Ron Paul: “Read The Law, by Bastiat” http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/12/ron-paul-read-the-law-by-bastiat/ Free Markets and Social Justice Mon, 22 Jan 2018 06:41:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.2 By: Les Kyle Nearhood http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/12/ron-paul-read-the-law-by-bastiat/#comment-31357 Wed, 29 May 2013 20:51:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=1580#comment-31357 A right cannot be a thing in which your exercise of it diminishes someone else. (Despite one person on this site who will argue otherwise). My rights to free expression, or even property does not diminish your rights to the same thing. But if you have a right to something like Health care, or Education, then that means someone must pay for it, and if you cannot pay then that someone is me.
Now I would argue that ACESS to these things is a right. No one, nor government should be able to diminish your ability to pursue all things, but providing them for you is an entitlement, not a right.

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By: Les Kyle Nearhood http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/12/ron-paul-read-the-law-by-bastiat/#comment-31355 Wed, 29 May 2013 20:47:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=1580#comment-31355 Got the Portable Bastiat reader, lots of good stuff.

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By: Andy http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/12/ron-paul-read-the-law-by-bastiat/#comment-15495 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 23:44:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=1580#comment-15495 Bastiat’s simple and articulate thesis helps me understand the problems our society faces with welfarism on one end of the spectrum and corporitism on the other.  If law was applied as it should be, according to Bastiat’s ideal, political lobbyists would be obsolete.  Today we have “groups” fighting over the goodies government can give them.  Proper government has no right to pass legislation for groups of people.  The constitution states that the its purpose is to promote the “general” welfare.   I think the key is to remember the difference between law and society.  

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By: Libertarianism, Political Action, and Cultural Change | Bleeding Heart Libertarians http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/12/ron-paul-read-the-law-by-bastiat/#comment-12779 Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:52:16 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=1580#comment-12779 […] books might light them to other books and so on. If lots of people took Paul’s advise to read Bastiat, for instance, that would, I admit, be a very good thing for the spread of libertarian […]

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By: Anonymous http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/12/ron-paul-read-the-law-by-bastiat/#comment-11536 Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:42:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=1580#comment-11536 I recently ran across an old (and very dense) Hayek quote that is on topic here. Who, Hayek asks us to consider, is really the most trusting of human nature?

“Even more significant of
the inherent weakness of the collectivist theories is the
extraordinary paradox that from the assertion that society is in some
sense more than merely the aggregate of all individuals their
adherents regularly pass by a sort of intellectual somersault to the
thesis that in order that the coherence of this larger entity be
safeguarded it must be subjected to conscious control, that is, to
the control of what in the last resort must be an individual mind. It
thus comes about that in practice it is regularly the theoretical
collectivist who extols individual reason and demands that all forces
of society be made subject to the direction of a single mastermind,
while it is the individualist who recognizes the limitations of the
powers of individual reason and consequently advocates freedom as a
means for the fullest development of the powers of the
interindividual process.” – F. A. Hayek

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By: Damien S. http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/12/ron-paul-read-the-law-by-bastiat/#comment-11534 Fri, 16 Dec 2011 03:56:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=1580#comment-11534 It’s in the news everyday that people are choosing to not work so they can mooch off of others?  Maybe if your “news” is Fox.  (I’m assuming you’re American.  Maybe not if you talk about ‘dole’.)

In reality, people are on the dole because *they can’t find work*.  Dozens or hundreds of applications go out, but they still can’t get hired.  Whether in the US or the UK.

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By: Anonymous http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/12/ron-paul-read-the-law-by-bastiat/#comment-11533 Fri, 16 Dec 2011 01:55:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=1580#comment-11533 Sorry I did not know you where one of those “I need a citation to refute the obvious” types. It’s in the news everyday, just turn it on. I need a citation does not refute the observation, it just a distractions to avoid having to refute the obvious. That’s the problem with America and American’s, you can convince them to ignore the obvious to their own peril.

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By: Damien S. http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/12/ron-paul-read-the-law-by-bastiat/#comment-11532 Fri, 16 Dec 2011 01:11:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=1580#comment-11532 “More and more people are giving up and joining the dole for that very reason”

As wikipedia says, “Citation needed”.  Conservative fantasies of hordes of deliberately shiftless poor are not facts.  Especially when such aid is rather minimal, and humiliating to get.

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By: Anonymous http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/12/ron-paul-read-the-law-by-bastiat/#comment-11531 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:51:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=1580#comment-11531 “Does paying taxes deprive you of your life? Clearly not. Do taxes deprive you of your liberty?”

You forgot two,

does it deprive you of your property? yes
Does it impede your pursuit of happiness? some would say yes.

Lord knows I would be happier if I did not have to worry if the next paycheck is coming or not.

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By: Anonymous http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/12/ron-paul-read-the-law-by-bastiat/#comment-11530 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:47:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=1580#comment-11530 “Typical hyperbole.  A slave is forced to work.  Nothing about the income tax forces you to work.  No work, no tax.”

That about sums it up right, but no work does equal government aid, and a helping to the taxes and fruits of labor of others that do chose to work. More and more people are giving up and joining the dole for that very reason, it is a sinking ship and there is no incentive to work so long as someone else does not have to and can help themselves to the labor of others. Why be the guy, paying for people, when you can be the guy getting the payment. It’s exactly what Bastiat, Paul and this article are talking about. I may not meet the technical definition of slavery, but don’t underestimate the destructive force it has on a society. Those people become a voting block and vote their interest further perpetuation the pattern.

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