Comments on: Yes, Global Wealth Inequality is Unjust http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2015/06/yes-global-wealth-inequality-is-unjust/ Free Markets and Social Justice Mon, 22 Jan 2018 23:15:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.2 By: HermanStone http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2015/06/yes-global-wealth-inequality-is-unjust/#comment-80050 Wed, 31 May 2017 19:29:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=9382#comment-80050 I was just listening to a podcast with Eric Mack talking about Law, Legislation and Liberty, and I remembered your “two out of three ain’t bad” comment. Cracked up for a good few minutes. Such a great line.

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By: Bruce Johnston http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2015/06/yes-global-wealth-inequality-is-unjust/#comment-61789 Wed, 29 Jul 2015 18:28:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=9382#comment-61789 Property systems can be coercive, even if the people in them are not trying to coerce anyone. We deal with this all the time in my corner of the world, where many people still farm at least part time. Here is an example: suppose a five acre field comes open on the market. Say you are a small farmer who could really benefit from that field to feed yourself, because you don’t have any. I am going to tell you right now that you are probably not going to get that land unless you are independently wealthy or are kin to the owner. The guy with a lot of money is going to get it. Now you have few option other than to get a job and sell your labor. This repeats itself endlessly. You can take care of yourself. But the system of property won’t let you because everything is owned, in many cases as an ‘investment’. Property systems are very coercive to people who have none, or little.

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By: Mortado http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2015/06/yes-global-wealth-inequality-is-unjust/#comment-60917 Thu, 25 Jun 2015 05:09:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=9382#comment-60917 What a garbage article. Using the same logic you use to justify a UBI, you could justify any sort of wealth redistribution.

“I do think it is a moral problem if a system of property is imposed on
everyone and it leaves some people so desperately poor they don’t have enough.”

Private property and markets have done nothing but drastically reduce poverty. Dire poverty where people struggle to procure even the basic essentials is pretty much the default state of mankind. Prior to the implementation of our current property system, the comfortable standards of living we have now were unimaginable. It’s totally erroneous to blame extreme poverty on private property as those people struggling now are mostly found in areas where modern notions of private property either are only just emerging or have yet to fully been enshrined in law. Also, it’s entirely possible to be a radical libertarian and still oppose open immigration, as Hoppe and Rothbard prove.

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By: matt http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2015/06/yes-global-wealth-inequality-is-unjust/#comment-60554 Thu, 11 Jun 2015 00:30:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=9382#comment-60554 I mean New Hampshire’s too cold. Las Vegas is where it should be at.

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By: Sean II http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2015/06/yes-global-wealth-inequality-is-unjust/#comment-60549 Wed, 10 Jun 2015 23:17:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=9382#comment-60549 Still no. If huge numbers of America’s worst voters stepped forward and offered to deport themselves, they’d probably be willing to accept disenfranchisement first*. A far less invasive option. I’d go with that.

Or better yet, since there aren’t that many libertarians, maybe we should be the ones who move. Then we can just tell those bad voters to leave us alone after we set up a little homeland in New Hampshire or whatever.

* Both scenarios are fanciful, of course, but I’m playing along.

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By: Sean II http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2015/06/yes-global-wealth-inequality-is-unjust/#comment-60548 Wed, 10 Jun 2015 23:09:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=9382#comment-60548 Wow, you really lost your shit there. Impressive.

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By: Equality as a Moral Ideal | Mormon Metaphysics http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2015/06/yes-global-wealth-inequality-is-unjust/#comment-60545 Wed, 10 Jun 2015 22:13:28 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=9382#comment-60545 […] has enough. This is a good paper on why getting people enough should be our primary focus. (HT: Bleeding Heart Libertarians – note I’m not a libertarian for a slew of […]

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By: Jameson Graber http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2015/06/yes-global-wealth-inequality-is-unjust/#comment-60544 Wed, 10 Jun 2015 22:01:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=9382#comment-60544 OK, dude, once I get home from my travels and have the books right in front of me, I’ll try to give you some actual quotes. In the meantime, you should try reading for yourself through the Constitution of Liberty, specifically where Hayek talks about how the English came about the discovery of liberty. He illustrates how it was a series of political conflicts, not any intentional movement toward liberty, that created the institutions which solidified English liberty. In other words, it was because the English had (in some sense accidentally) created the Magna Carta that they learned liberty, not the other way around. That explains why, when he talks about the American Constitution, he takes the essentially Burkean position that the American revolution was a matter of preserving a tradition, not creating something radically new. And where do traditions come from? They are not biologically inherited. They are learned. They are taught through institutions.

That is what I’m saying. As for what you are saying, this nonsense is intolerable: “You seem to have taken this valid starting point, then given Hayek some oddball reading where institutions (once established) are impervious to culture, where culture moves ahead teleologically, never going backwards, and most crazily, where majority opinion and culture have little to do with each other.” If that’s what you think I’m saying, you need to learn to read.

So with that, here’s where we stand. I’ve made reference to the Cato Institute’s research which shows that immigrants’ political attitudes aren’t all that different from natural born citizens’ (actually you should be more worried about the young than about immigrants, they’re way more statist). I’ve also pointed out that institutions and learned traditions are what counts, not biologically determined traits. That blows a pretty gaping hole in your argument that Russians, or Venezuelans, or whoever, simply can’t seem to get this liberty stuff right. The whole history of the USA belies your opinion. Once the institutions are in place, millions of people can be taught to adapt to them and be successful.

You, on the other hand, have brought zero evidence for your racist opinion, and you have continually mischaracterized my opinions, demonstrating that you never seriously read what I wrote. As a result, I have zero respect for you, and I think it’s rather pathetic that someone with already way out of the mainstream opinions (news flash: any form of libertarianism is considered radical by most Americans) would try to badger me about how I’m being too utopian. If you feel somehow justified in your beliefs, I guess that’s your business. As for me, I just think you’re an ugly person, and I would really appreciate it if you stopped bothering the world with your racist beliefs.

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