Comments on: No, John Finnis, plagiarism is NOT “proper and accepted”. http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/04/no-john-finnis-plagiarism-not-proper-accepted/ Free Markets and Social Justice Thu, 23 Nov 2017 17:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.8.3 By: MARK_D_FRIEDMAN http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/04/no-john-finnis-plagiarism-not-proper-accepted/#comment-79404 Sun, 07 May 2017 21:18:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11706#comment-79404 …still waiting for Oxford to act?

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By: Sean II http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/04/no-john-finnis-plagiarism-not-proper-accepted/#comment-79076 Mon, 24 Apr 2017 21:03:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11706#comment-79076 I love SSC. The only reason I don’t comment there is fear that it would consume too much of my life.

I’m not the first person to wonder this, but how Scott writes so much while living the life of a resident is a mystery to those of us weaklings who occasionally eat and sleep.

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By: HermanStone http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/04/no-john-finnis-plagiarism-not-proper-accepted/#comment-79075 Mon, 24 Apr 2017 20:47:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11706#comment-79075 Of course. You deserve the praise.

Side question: Do you ever comment at Slate Star Codex? And why not?? I think your style and perspectives would fit in very nicely there, and the comments section is quite lively and intelligent.

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By: Sean II http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/04/no-john-finnis-plagiarism-not-proper-accepted/#comment-79038 Fri, 21 Apr 2017 20:04:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11706#comment-79038 I’m working on it, and thank you!

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By: Chris Thomas http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/04/no-john-finnis-plagiarism-not-proper-accepted/#comment-79022 Fri, 21 Apr 2017 02:58:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11706#comment-79022 Please write a book. It’s tragic to watch a modern day Mencken go unnoticed in the obscurity of blog comments. I’m really not joking. You’re insightful (though I don’t always agree with you), and you are CONSISTENTLY, SIDESPLITTINGLY HILARIOUS.

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By: Lacunaria http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/04/no-john-finnis-plagiarism-not-proper-accepted/#comment-78909 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 23:00:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11706#comment-78909 What does “fail” translate to for a philosophy doctoral thesis? Could it be as mild as “you should add a footnote because the computer flagged it?”

And on what basis are you saying that the norms haven’t changed at all?

The very fact that it is easier to find would seem to create a new standard for how much someone else’s words need to be changed for them to become your words.

Who do you use to perform your searches? Shouldn’t they have an objective answer to the question of plagiarism norms?

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By: James Taylor http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/04/no-john-finnis-plagiarism-not-proper-accepted/#comment-78908 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 21:48:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11706#comment-78908 The norms haven’ changed at all. It’s just that a lot of plagiarism is now much easier to catch! Had this degree of plagiarism appeared in a paper and I’d adjudicated the case as an Academic Integrity Officer, I’d have failed the paper.

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By: Lacunaria http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/04/no-john-finnis-plagiarism-not-proper-accepted/#comment-78900 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 05:22:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11706#comment-78900 What happened to your fellow student? Was this since computer searches?

You stress flagging even a single line (sentence?), but no complete sentence was copied in Gorsuch’s case, just fragments. It looks like Gorsuch copied Kuzma’s facts of the case in his own voice with clarifications. Is there some point at which modifying someone else’s words about facts becomes your own words?

Oxford certainly has motive for behaving hypocritically with a SCOTUS Justice, but that, like all of these questions, actually has a good quantified answer. Has Oxford ever done anything to any graduate for this degree of similarity?

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By: Lacunaria http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/04/no-john-finnis-plagiarism-not-proper-accepted/#comment-78899 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 05:20:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11706#comment-78899 I agree, strictly speaking it may be plagiarism and possibly a violation of contract, but my point is that you are measuring ideals and not the norms of Oxford or academia, now or back then.

What’s odd is that this kind of plagiarism is most certainly identified by computers nowadays and the norms surely changed once precise degrees of plagiarism could be determined by a quick computer search, but no one is talking about this.

What’s disappointing is that this question of plagiarism has a well-quantified answer, but we are instead guessing with anecdotes and hypothetical strictness. Those who identified this looked for a certain degree of similarity (perhaps even with some false positives), they know whether Gorsuch is outside the mean for that time for this degree of similarity, and they probably even know the degree of similarity required to meet the plagiarism standards of various institutions, now and in the past.

In fact, it would be great if Taylor could comment on the effects of automation on plagiarism, and whether he would really fail or dock Gorsuch a letter grade or simply suggest he add a cite.

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By: King Goat http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/04/no-john-finnis-plagiarism-not-proper-accepted/#comment-78890 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 02:42:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11706#comment-78890 Part of Taylor’s point is that these violations do result in action quite a bit in his experience. Heck, I know of fellow former co-students who got flagged for plagiarism for using *one line* in an entire paper that was clearly lifted from someone else’s work.

Is Oxford being hypocritical for not making much of the newly confirmed SCOTUS Justice and alumni’s plagiarism? Let me ask you, could there possibly be some motive other than consistency and academic norms about plagiarism that could be behind them not making much of this now very prestigious alumni’s rather obvious slip? Of course Taylor and others needn’t be guided by such motives.

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