Comments on: Did Buchanan Really Think That African-Americans Had No Desire For Freedom? Another Major Distortion from Nancy MacLean. http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/07/buchanan-really-think-african-americans-no-desire-freedom-another-major-distortion-nancy-maclean/ Free Markets and Social Justice Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:36:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.8.3 By: jolenestc http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/07/buchanan-really-think-african-americans-no-desire-freedom-another-major-distortion-nancy-maclean/#comment-81222 Tue, 01 Aug 2017 16:22:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11933#comment-81222 So let me get this straight. Because Buchanan said “The thirst or desire for freedom, and responsibility, is perhaps not nearly so universal as so many post-Enlightenment philosophers have assumed,” and then used the experience of reconstruction African Americans as an demonstrating case, where Maclean wrote that Buchanan used the experience of reconstruction African Americans as a demonstrating case that “the thirst for freedom, and responsibility, is perhaps not nearly so universal as so many post-Enlightenment philosophers have assumed,” is somehow making it seem that he only meant black people because she didn’t also include his reference to Communism? That instead she wrote that he “would make similarly blind and insulting claims about others” seems to acknowledge that he didn’t think of black people as somehow especially or particularly “unfit,” but that they were but one example of many. So there is nothing in what she actually wrote, short of grasping at the wispiest of straws, that supports this interpretation.

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By: James Taylor http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/07/buchanan-really-think-african-americans-no-desire-freedom-another-major-distortion-nancy-maclean/#comment-81194 Thu, 27 Jul 2017 22:01:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11933#comment-81194 Your last paragraph is simply false, if you’re referring to me.

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By: James Taylor http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/07/buchanan-really-think-african-americans-no-desire-freedom-another-major-distortion-nancy-maclean/#comment-81193 Thu, 27 Jul 2017 21:22:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11933#comment-81193 Yes, she said in the endnote that she was quoting from the first draft, and then immediately afterwards stated (incorrectly) that this draft was later published as “Afraid to be Free: Dependency as Desideratum,” Public Choice 120, 3 (September 2004).

Three points are worth noting here:

1) It is standard practice to refer to a person’s published views, as these are understood to be the views that he or she stands by. Even if MacLean’s quotation of Buchanan’s first draft is correct, and if he did not mention other persons besides the former slaves, this tells us nothing about his considered opinion.

2) If one refers to a draft, and if this draft changes before the published version, it is standard practice both to note this, and include in the bibliography references to BOTH drafts separately. MacLean doesn’t do either of these. This is why I took her to mean that he first draft was the published draft–which is what she herself writes.

3) MacLean’s reference to ‘Afraid to be Free” is (of course!) wrong. It appeared in Public Choice 124, 1-2 (July 2005) . She does, however, get the citation right in the bibliography.

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By: Chris Mason http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/07/buchanan-really-think-african-americans-no-desire-freedom-another-major-distortion-nancy-maclean/#comment-81190 Thu, 27 Jul 2017 20:01:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11933#comment-81190 Professor Taylor, something that I’m curious about, John Jackson stated in a comment somewhere that MacLean was quoting from the first draft of Buchanan’s Afraid to be Free rather than the published version. He stated this in order to defend the claim that MacLean didn’t misquote Buchanan. I’m trying to find the first draft online, but I couldn’t find it.

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By: Sean II http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/07/buchanan-really-think-african-americans-no-desire-freedom-another-major-distortion-nancy-maclean/#comment-81189 Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:28:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11933#comment-81189 Not many, but still far too many.

It’s a side effect of higher ed subsidies that some people now get jobs professing philosophy who should, under an honest market, be teaching high school English.

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By: Theresa Klein http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/07/buchanan-really-think-african-americans-no-desire-freedom-another-major-distortion-nancy-maclean/#comment-81188 Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:49:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11933#comment-81188 It’s a rarefied atmosphere. Not very many people have doctorates in moral philosophy.

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By: Theresa Klein http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/07/buchanan-really-think-african-americans-no-desire-freedom-another-major-distortion-nancy-maclean/#comment-81187 Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:48:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11933#comment-81187 Possibly. I sometimes use my phone to comment, and misspelling Buchanan is pretty easy to miss.

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By: Theresa Klein http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/07/buchanan-really-think-african-americans-no-desire-freedom-another-major-distortion-nancy-maclean/#comment-81186 Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:42:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11933#comment-81186 Omitting the part of quote in which he mentions the appeal of communism in Europe conveys the impression that he’s talking about black people in particular and not just using them as an example of a broader human failing.

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By: King Goat http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/07/buchanan-really-think-african-americans-no-desire-freedom-another-major-distortion-nancy-maclean/#comment-81185 Thu, 27 Jul 2017 14:18:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11933#comment-81185 “how deep the deep state goes”

Oh, Jesus Christ.

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By: Peter from Oz http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/07/buchanan-really-think-african-americans-no-desire-freedom-another-major-distortion-nancy-maclean/#comment-81182 Wed, 26 Jul 2017 23:20:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=11933#comment-81182 There is no way to put the genie back into the bottle. The only retort to a charge of ‘racism’ is: “So what? Shall we get back to the main issue?”
Charges of racism, sexism, homophobia and all the other thought crimes invented by the left are just deflectors designed to avoid real debate and take the moral high ground. We must refuse to cede that ground to the sods.
Sinistra delenda est

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