Comments on: Can you be a libertarian racist or anti-Semite? http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/09/can-libertarian-racist-anti-semite/ Free Markets and Social Justice Mon, 22 Jan 2018 05:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.2 By: Lacunaria http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/09/can-libertarian-racist-anti-semite/#comment-83059 Tue, 05 Dec 2017 09:38:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12019#comment-83059 It’s discrimination based upon an apt correlation. For example, you might note the race of your attacker and then restrict your search to people of that race or similar. You are rationally discriminating based upon race in order to narrow your search domain. Such racial discrimination is moral.

By contrast, if you don’t want to sell an item to a paying customer because of their race, that is typically irrational and immoral.

The definition suggests that the moral validity of a biased search hinges on whether your bias is rationally justifiable.

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By: alzhu4 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/09/can-libertarian-racist-anti-semite/#comment-82908 Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:57:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12019#comment-82908 I read the use of “pattern recognition” here as an admission of lack of cognitive ability. That is, I admit that I’m not perceptive enough to understand this _individual_ in front of me, so I’ll make do by imputing group average values (the group label itself being either imputed or self-identified).

Please feel free to argue against that interpretation. (But it is the basis of a lot of machine learning techniques today, so as an interpretation of “pattern recognition” it’s not too far off.)

Assuming it’s valid to any extent, here’s my question. For context, let’s interpret this “pattern recognition” as an implementation of a hypothesis test, the result of which determines things like employment, college admissions, lawsuits, policing, etc.

From the libertarian perspective, how morally acceptable is it for any negative burden resulting from my subpar cognitive abilities to fall upon the individual members of the Type I or Type II error classes?

Or is it perhaps more important for me to be agnostic on the question for the moment, and instead work at improving my own cognitive abilities?

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By: alzhu4 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/09/can-libertarian-racist-anti-semite/#comment-82898 Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:55:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12019#comment-82898 What is the definition of rational discrimination based on race? And therefore irrational discrimination based on race?

Does the validity of the definition affect the scientific or moral validity of a biased search?

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By: alzhu4 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/09/can-libertarian-racist-anti-semite/#comment-82897 Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:52:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12019#comment-82897 … that criterion always made sense to me. I’m looking forward to the day my 1.83 kids are all grown up and the loans on my 2.28 vehicles are paid off.

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By: Rob Gressis http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/09/can-libertarian-racist-anti-semite/#comment-82896 Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:33:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12019#comment-82896 It’s a good question. I doubt he has a degree in it. But he does seem to be familiar with a fair number of papers on it. That said, I don’t know whether he’s read critiques of his position from people like Nisbett or Turkheimer.

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By: alzhu4 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/09/can-libertarian-racist-anti-semite/#comment-82895 Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:54:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12019#comment-82895 Out of curiosity, what does Sean know about genetics, and what do you?

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By: Sobel http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/09/can-libertarian-racist-anti-semite/#comment-82702 Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:15:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12019#comment-82702 Two things I worry about: First, I don’t think in the most important sense any significant ethical views can bypass the need to worry that they are problematically biased. I think this is a thing to worry about for any view but for the Libertarian it would go like this. Libertarians think respect for individuals primarily entails non-interference rather than the provision of desperately needed aid. That might be right. But it might be wrong. Isn’t it something that Libertarians should spend a few moments considering that maybe part of the attraction of this way of respecting people stems from it working out well for the well to do who are predominantly the folks who have time to develop a moral and political philosophy? I don’t see that what you say insulates Libertarians from the possibility of bias of that sort. And again, I think that sort of bias is a risk run by every substantive ethical view out there. I just fear when people tell themselves they don’t have to worry that they are subject to very common sorts of human bias such as racism and sexism. Second, I think the culture is such that one is a X-ist if one sincerely asserts one is. The culture is such that we say Peter Singer is a Consequentialist even if he does not always act like one. One is not, in ordinary parlance, only a Consequentialist when one acts like one. If that were so, Consequentialism would not be an at all common view. Having said that, someone is a Libertarian if they sincerely say they are even if they don’t in all ways act like it or fully internalize the heart of the view. Given that, of course a Libertarian can be racist or sexist or what have you (just as a Consequentialist can). What might well be true is that Libertarianism is not itself a racist doctrine and thus, to the extent that one perfectly lives the doctrine, one will not be racist. But that is a quite different claim.

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By: Rob Gressis http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/09/can-libertarian-racist-anti-semite/#comment-82356 Fri, 15 Sep 2017 23:37:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12019#comment-82356 What you say could be right, but these are empirical claims, and without good evidence, it’s hard to see how you can be very confident about them.

For one thing, many so-called libertarians are in favor of open borders.

For another thing, are you prepared to generalize your point about libertarians adopting their outlook out of self-interest to other people? For instance, do liberals adopt their political outlook out of self-interest? How about communists? How about me? How about you?

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By: Farstrider http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/09/can-libertarian-racist-anti-semite/#comment-82349 Fri, 15 Sep 2017 17:02:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12019#comment-82349 That is for sure true when, to take one example, rich people support political philosophies that involve low taxes. But it cannot be true for the rich people who support higher taxes.

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By: Farstrider http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/09/can-libertarian-racist-anti-semite/#comment-82348 Fri, 15 Sep 2017 17:00:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12019#comment-82348 I think you are confusing cause and effect. I think people come to libertarianism because they are looking for a philosophical and political justification for their self-interest, particularly with regard to “their” property or because they do want to do drugs. They then adopt some other libertarian views more out of a desire to be consistent than anything else. And you’ll note, I’m sure, that many so called libertarians are not in favor of open borders, precisely because they think it is inimical to their self interest.

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