Comments on: Tu Quoque: The Dictators Might Misuse You Objection to Against Democracy http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/12/tu-quoque-dictators-might-misuse-objection-democracy/ Free Markets and Social Justice Mon, 22 Jan 2018 14:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.2 By: Rob Gressis http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/12/tu-quoque-dictators-might-misuse-objection-democracy/#comment-83153 Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:06:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12093#comment-83153 I guess. Didn’t work as well for Venus, though.

Or did I just bring up a single example as though it refuted a generalization?

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By: Sean II http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/12/tu-quoque-dictators-might-misuse-objection-democracy/#comment-83152 Wed, 13 Dec 2017 06:11:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12093#comment-83152 Divergent evolution is more potent than dianabol.

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By: Rob Gressis http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/12/tu-quoque-dictators-might-misuse-objection-democracy/#comment-83150 Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:32:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12093#comment-83150 Well, most of them do PEDs anyway. Maybe she just takes to them better than most?

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By: Sean II http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/12/tu-quoque-dictators-might-misuse-objection-democracy/#comment-83146 Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:54:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12093#comment-83146 That’s true, sports has enjoyed an exemption. You don’t get pilloried for noticing that the Manning brothers resemble each other in various important ways.

Indeed the exemption seems to cover other people with obvious physical gifts: actresses, models, singers, etc. It’s okay to notice that Kate Hudson is pretty and charming in much the same way as her mom.

But even that loophole would melt shut if you exported it into a policy discussion. Imagine going to an education conference and saying: “Many children lack the capacity to benefit from sport and musical education! Instead let’s focus on training up the already talented.”

Your lifeless body would be found floating in the hotel pool after a stunt like that.

And besides, the exemption only goes so far. Consider your own example of Mac vs Serena.

It’s okay to notice that Serena is masculine, if you’re praising her rare ability to beat male pros. Indeed you can get in trouble for not praising her enough in this regard, as Mac did.

But if you notice the same fact from the other side, if you point out she plays girls with the muscles of boy, wielding a physical advantage large enough to make her whole career resemble a middleweight beating up on a endless series of bantanweights, there will be blood on your Twitter.

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By: Rob Gressis http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/12/tu-quoque-dictators-might-misuse-objection-democracy/#comment-83143 Tue, 12 Dec 2017 16:31:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12093#comment-83143 They’re willing to deny it when it comes to sports, though the John McEnroe case is starting to show even that is going away.

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By: Sean II http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/12/tu-quoque-dictators-might-misuse-objection-democracy/#comment-83140 Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:47:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12093#comment-83140 “That said, I agree that hereditarianism is likelier to lead to worse results than environmentalism…”

Counterpoint: environmentalism is the biggest *present* threat to whatever you call that part of the world which doesn’t suck – liberal democratic industrial capitalism, say.

This is most obvious in Europe, where the die has already been cast on an all-in bet against demography and population genetics. This will not work out the way *anyone* wanted, and in the long run violence is inevitable.

Meanwhile over here in the only other nice place to live, we’re at each other’s throats rehearsing for Civil War II, as our environmental myths falter in the face of evidence, and require ever more aggressive forms of social enforcement to retain their grip on power.

So don’t call the game yet. Wait and see just how dangerous the cult of environmental can be, when it enters the Jim Jones cornered rat phase of its decadence.

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By: Sean II http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/12/tu-quoque-dictators-might-misuse-objection-democracy/#comment-83137 Tue, 12 Dec 2017 04:56:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12093#comment-83137 Of course no one can manage to believe something as wrong as blank slate theory all the time. Plenty of contradiction in the mix, especially the performative kind.

But the key point remains: in a public policy discussion the amount of difference one is allowed to attribute to heredity is ~0.

So if everyone either believes or pretends to believe X, and if X is the basic assumption behind a vast array of policy and practice, then it doesn’t make sense to call X a straw man.

A straw man is something no one actually believes.

The blank slate is something most people are afraid to deny.

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By: Sean II http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/12/tu-quoque-dictators-might-misuse-objection-democracy/#comment-83136 Tue, 12 Dec 2017 04:45:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12093#comment-83136 You seem well shod, but the shoeless are always with us.

That what was supposed to be the joke. You know, getting lessons in empiricism from a guy who pretends not to notice something as big and conspicuous as “the establishment”.

It’s just the sort of glaringly obvious thing no one would deny except from an a priori or rhetorical motive.

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By: Rob Gressis http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/12/tu-quoque-dictators-might-misuse-objection-democracy/#comment-83134 Tue, 12 Dec 2017 02:14:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12093#comment-83134 I don’t get the relevance. Have I put on my shoes?

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By: Rob Gressis http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2017/12/tu-quoque-dictators-might-misuse-objection-democracy/#comment-83133 Tue, 12 Dec 2017 02:13:00 +0000 http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/?p=12093#comment-83133 Doesn’t mean they deny it. Could just mean they deny it in public.

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