Bleeding heart libertarianism (BHL) suggests a new research agenda. As I mentioned in my previous posting, I see that BHL agenda as having two main parts. One invites bleeding heart libertarians to develop a rival normative vision of what free societies owe the poor; the other invites libertarians to defend economic liberty in new ways. I shall address both those points but first some stage setting.

BHL, as I understand it, represents a fundamental challenge to the moral status quo. That moral status quo is the frozen conceptual sea I mentioned in my previous post. I describe the conceptual sea as frozen because defenders of various ideological positions have long found themselves locked into familiar and more or less immovable positions. Here’s a quick topographical map of this frozen terrain.

Off one coast, we have the two camps of the defenders of private economic liberty: the libertarians and the classical liberals. By classical liberals I have in mind a run of free market thinkers including Adam Smith, F.A. Hayek and Richard Epstein. The distinctive political commitment of classical liberalism is to private economic liberty—though classical liberals allow taxation to support a limited range of government provided social goods (education vouchers, a safety net). Some thinkers in this tradition argue from natural rights, but most employ consequentialist or ends-directed forms of reasoning. The philosophical base of this position is a conception of the person as a seeker of happiness or utility.

Hunkered down on the ice next to the classical liberals are the libertarians. Nozick is the paradigm here, though anarcho-capitalist such as Murray Rothbard roll out their blankets on the edges of this same camp. The distinctive political commitment of libertarians is also to private economic liberty—though libertarians tend to treat economic liberties as even more weighty than the classical liberals do (“taxation is theft”). Libertarians can be consequentialists, but they more often employ what we might call naturalistic forms of justification. They find their philosophical base in the idea of the person as a self-owner.

On the opposite coast, we have the modern or high liberals. This is the comfortable, academically dominant camp. John Rawls is the paradigmatic figure her, though if you throw a snowball down the hallway of most any major philosophy department these days you could close your eyes confident that you will hit a high liberal. The distinctive political commitment of high liberals is not to private economic liberty but to social justice: social institutions should be arranged so as to benefit all members of society, including the poor. High liberals minimize or deny the importance of private economic liberty. After all, such liberties limit the power of government to “spread the wealth around,” a strategy that high liberals see as plainly required by their commitment to social justice. Rather than a consequentialist or naturalist form of reasoning, high liberals characteristically employ deliberative forms of justification. A set of institutions is just and legitimate only if it is acceptable in principle to the citizens who are to live there. The philosophical base of high liberalism is not a utility seeker or a self-owner but an idea of the person as a democratic citizen. This is a person committed to living with his fellow citizens on terms that all can endorse, regardless of the particular social or economic position each inhabits.

Even this quick sketch can help us understand why the sea between these two coasts thickened and froze. Graduate students attracted to the idea of private economic liberties (wide and powerful rights of private ownership and contract, for example) soon find themselves on dogsleds heading over toward the camps of Hayek and Nozick. As they approach that coast they get to choose whether then are more comfortable with Hayekian ends-directed reasoning or the Nozickian naturalist form. But whichever camp they choose, “social justice” is a phrase they are told they must not speak.

Other students, attracted to the ideal of deliberative justification, find themselves whisked off in the other direction by high-powered snowmobile. Up, up to the high liberal camp. There they can join the Rawlsians and luck egalitarians such as Ronald Dworkin and the democratic theorists such as Amy Gutmann in warm discussions about the precise nature and requirements of social justice. But in this camp, “private economic liberty” is a phrase only rarely and dismissively heard.

For decades, the residents of these camps have stared at each other across an icy, windswept divide. Occasionally, the defenders of private economic liberty call out to their opponents to abandon the ideal of social justice and come over to join them in affirming one another as self-owners (or utility maximizers). But the advocates of social justice are just as firmly committed to the moral ideal of persons as democratic citizens, committed to living among institutions that all might endorse. Each group is anchored to a very different view about the nature of moral personhood, and each knows that the anchors on the other coast are as firmly set too. So for the most part they just go about their business, and let the wind between howl, lonely and wild.

But bleeding heart libertarians now come onto the scene. As I think of it, the BHLs are riding an icebreaker, the full power of which they have only begun themselves to understand. But what in what direction does this icebreaker run? And precisely what message do those riding in it carry? I have some ideas. More on that soon.

 
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Arben-Fox/763735290 Russell Arben Fox

    John, where would you situate the socialists and left communitarians, the Carole Patemans and Erik Olin Wrights, those folks who embrace social justice not necessarily for reasons of “deliberative justification” but because they have a different conception of how human society does (or should) operate? Would you see them as just tag-alongs to the “high liberal” camp, or would you acknowledge that the topography you’re laying out here–which I like very much; it’s an insightful arrangement–is solely a liberal one?

    • John_tomasi

      Hi Russell, Thanks for your question. I mean to be describing the topography of liberalism only. I imagine that we could “Google-earth out” and bring social democracy, socialism, communitarianism, and other non-liberal views into the picture. But that’s not my interest here (and, obviously, I make no claim about the comparative fluidity of ideological positions within those other areas).

  • Anonymous

    “though if you throw a snowball down the hallway of most any major philosophy department these days you could close your eyes confident that you will hit a high liberal.”

    John, I think you’ve been misled by the happy situation you inhabit at Brown; if you throw a snowball down the hallway of most any major philosophy department, you’re unlikely to hit a political philosopher at all!  

    More seriously, I’m not quite sure how to think about the lumping together of Rawlsian liberals and the various kinds of democrats.  Even as a heuristic device that seems to me to get the geography of the other coast wrong, and I’m not sure that the conversations across the divide with the Rawlsians will look much like the conversation with the democrats.Anyway, welcome to the group; looking forward to the discussion!

    • K.V.

      I thought John just meant high liberals as in those people who endorse the position he sketched in the post, not necessarily those who do political philosophy. I can attest at my department that despite having a Rawlsish-political philosopher around, many of the faculty have Rawlsian views.

      I will agree that lumping all democrats together can be hazardous, but from the perspective of most, the distance between Rawls and Habermas, say, is not so great. Plus, many deliberative democrats (the most prominent of the ‘democrats’) are Rawls students.

      In any case, I think John’s description of the terrain applies almost exclusively to philosophers. As you once said to me, many political theorists are some form of consequentialist, and so the “democrats” among them will have a very different cast, cutting across John’s distinctions.

  • http://aaronmclin.blogspot.com/ Aaron

    Are future posts going to move outside of the realm of just economics? There’s more to the personal freedom vs. statism debate than just how one can spend their money and the possibility of transfer payments.

    • Frank Hecker

      Maybe the focus of economics is because people are seeing “social justice” as a concept as primarily involving economic issues? What sorts of non-economic issues might fit into a BHL frame?

      • http://aaronmclin.blogspot.com/ Aaron

        Non-economic regulations, like transparency. Immigration and freedom of movement, perhaps. Or maybe even things like discrimination and access to legal recourse. I know that “stereotypical” libertarian thought is that such things quickly become non-issues, since people are considered rational actors. But the reality seems somewhat different in practice. And while you can make the case that all of these things can be said to be economic in a sense, they don’t deal with taxation, which seems to be the primary form of governmental coercion that people take issue with.

  • http://lamecore.wordpress.com/ hamilt0n

    “The philosophical base of high liberalism is not a utility seeker or a
    self-owner but an idea of the person as a democratic citizen. This is a
    person committed to living with his fellow citizens on terms that _ALL_
    can endorse, regardless of the particular social or economic position
    each inhabits.”

    That’s a pretty careless use of language. Unanimity has never been a stated concern of social justice advocates. What differentiates them from others is their view that a plurality of citizens can morally take by force what is necessary for “social justice.”

  • Anonymous

    Hamilton, no, John was right.   One of the key moves of Rawlsian liberalism is the insistence on justifiability or endorsability by all.  That doesn’t mean a unanimity rule in ongoing democratic practice; it means an overall social system that one could imagine every person as having endorsed ex ante– ruling out a variety of kinds of using-some-for-the-benefit-of-others.  According to Rawls and his followers, that rules out, say, allowing a few to suffer dire poverty for the sake of an overall improvement in growth or wealth.

    • http://lamecore.wordpress.com/ hamilt0n

      “One of the key moves of Rawlsian liberalism is the insistence on
      justifiability or endorsability by all.  That doesn’t mean a unanimity
      rule in ongoing democratic practice; it means an overall social system
      that one could imagine every person as having endorsed ex ante– ruling
      out a variety of kinds of using-some-for-the-benefit-of-others.”

      I understand that Rawls and his followers imagine that their preferred social system could be endorsed by every person ex ante. That doesn’t make it so.  It is one thing to say that Rawlsians dress their political philosophy in such language, it is quite another thing to say that they actually want to create a system on terms that all can endorse. They want no such thing.

      “that rules out, say, allowing a few to suffer dire poverty for the sake of an overall improvement in growth or wealth.”

      I.e. the plurality taking from others by force what is necessary for “social justice.”

      • Anonymous

        But then John hasn’t used language carelessly; he’s just tried to engage with opponents in their own terms.

        • http://lamecore.wordpress.com/ hamilt0n

          Words have meaning. Consent doesn’t mean “we decided for you.”

      • Damien RS

        Almost everyone supports the plurality or majority “taking from others by force” for some social purpose or another.  And often, even for historical conservatives, to keep the destitute, or at least widows and orphans, from dying, thus a limited form of social justice.  It’s libertarians who are qualitatively separated from everyone else, here.

      • http://profiles.google.com/entelechy77 Kurt Horner

        The high liberal camp holds that while you can’t have everyone consent to every last detail of a society’s rules, you can have all sane members of that society consent to the process by which the rules are constructed. Thus, the importance of democracy in the high liberal view.

        Consider, if I join a poker game and lose, I would not refer to my losses as being “taken by force” even though a fight would ensue if I tried to keep the losses from going to the winner. This is not “taking by force” because choosing to enter the game commits me to the possibility of loss. In the high liberal view, democracy is the poker game.

        Now, I would agree with you that most people seem forced into democracy as well (i.e. this is a poker game that people are required to play). But since having a society requires mechanisms for setting and enforcing rules, you must join a game, even if there is only one available to enter. In the absence of a ready means to have multiple games to choose from (i.e. overlapping governments in the same physical area) the only optimal solution is for the rules of the game to be as fair as possible. 

        As you can see, the frequent libertarian objection to takings determined via a democratic process is only coherent if a libertarian takes an anarchist stance and advocates some type of competitive governance (as Rothbard did). Otherwise, you’re just blithely disregarding the fact that the rules regarding property acquisition were arrived at by a monopolized social process themselves.

        • Damien RS

          “you can have all sane members of that society consent to the process by which the rules are constructed”

          Reminds me of a Hayek quote I thought I had around but don’t, about how inequal market results would be fair if resulting from fair rules agreed to, like winners and losers of a game.  I remember liking that, but sometime later, wondering why those particular rules had to be agreed to, vs. playing a different game.  Nor can anyone be said to have agreed to the market game, and it’s hard to see why it’d be agreed to as fair by most people.

        • John H

          Which rules are we talking about? I think the high liberal camp has a vision of democracy that is closer to rule by philosopher kings than rule by the people. Much of the rules governing the decision-making process was never agreed to by the people inn general but by politician. I think most people would support and want a process that makes the representatives serve the broader general good/general population. Our existing structure does not; it serves special interests and politicians themselves.

          That being the case libertarians do not need to appeal to anarchistic theory to get the position that much of government’s activities represent taking. As an example of something that is probably a shared common ground consider corporate welfare.

          • Damien RS

             The rules of property acquisition, and the existing distribution, were never agreed to either…

          • http://profiles.google.com/entelechy77 Kurt Horner

            High liberals and libertarians do both oppose corporate welfare, but the area of agreement concerns a corrupt use of public funds, not the legitimacy of the public funds themselves. So, no, they don’t agree that corporate welfare is a “taking.” 

            To complain about the collection of taxes (rather than what the taxes are spent on), one needs to either critique the process of government, the lack of competition in governance or both. If you reject anarchism, then the only game in town is a critique of the process, and at that point the only real difference between the various varieties of liberalism is which parts of the social system are consider “default” or “natural” aspects, and which parts are considered negotiable within the social contract.

          • John H

            “but the area of agreement concerns a corrupt use of public funds, not the legitimacy of the public funds themselves” 

            I don’t think that holds. You’re presumption is that the total funding is accepted but that it should be spent differently. I think there is a case that too much is collected because it’s being misspent. In those cases one can clearly label the situation a case of taking.

            Perhaps I’m  missing some of your meaning but you seem to be saying that any and all things can be put into the social contract. Is there a place for areas that are by default outside the scope of a social contract?

          • Damien RS

            Kurt’s talking about the liberal perspective.  Which is commonly both that current taxes are too low to meet public needs and that current taxes are misspent. The liberal objection to corporate welfare is not that the money spent on corporate welfare is a taking.  The “area of agreement” is that corporate welfare is bad, but the reasons differ..

          • John

            Yes, I did misread Kurt’s position. Thanks Damien and sorry Kurt.

        • http://lamecore.wordpress.com/ hamilt0n

          “Well, you might not consent, but all _sane_ people do.” That doesn’t leave us with much to discuss.

          Governance is dirty, violent process. Non-anarchists acknowledge the necessity of government to prevent the strong from violating the rights of the weak. Using awful means born of necessity for questionable projects is a serious moral problem that can’t be answered simply by denigrating those who bring it up.

          Democracy doesn’t change the moral aspects of any given action, nor was it the system provided for in our Constitution. The number of policies left to a majority vote was rather slim.

  • Damien RS

    “High liberals minimize or deny the importance of private economic liberty.”

    More accurately, deny the *supreme* importance of economic liberty, especially of immunity to taxation.  Libertarians value Liberty.  Modern liberals or social democrats juggle Liberty, Equality, and Security as values, with various synergies and tradeoffs.  We already grant that it’s good to have your own property and to make your own economic choices.  But it’s not a good that trumps all other concerns.

  • Damien RS

    There’s another factor. When I advocate taxing or regulating negative externalities, and subsidizing public goods, I don’t think I’m being progressive at all; it’s just common sense.  The same economic theory that says markets are good also suggests when they fail and need to be complemented by other mechanisms. Regulating pollution and funding basic research (and defense!) and mandating product labeling or testing is just part of making markets work better and the economy grow faster, not something opposed to markets.  It’s not until we get to actual equality programs that socialism/progressivism enter the mix.  And as you say, classical liberals would broadly agree.  But modern libertarians and conservatives have become so allergic to government that they often deny even the existence of externalities, a position mighty convenient to the businesses that would be regulated, and so good economic sense policies get lumped in with redistribution policies.

    At some point I was calling myself classical liberal, because libertarians seemed like the reactionary and fundamentalist form of classical liberalism.

    • Guest

      What if government, the tax-funded geographical monopoly on violence and arbitration kind, is an externality itself? It is an unaccountable effect of less than omniscient action that makes yet more unaccountable externalities, no? Does Harold Demsetz’ term “Nirvana Fallacy” apply here?  NF is the fallacy of seeing government as a perfectable remedy for perceived inherent imperfections in voluntary relationships (e.g. externalities).

      • Damien RS

        I don’t understand your first two sentences.  But invoking the Nirvana Fallacy is itself a fallacy; we don’t need to believe government is perfectible, just that trying for externality regulation is better than giving up on the problem.  Improvability, not perfectibility.

        • Guest

          Oh, ok. Let me come at it from a different direction then. I am assuming you believe that voluntary exchanges or market actions often result in negative exogenous consequences that necessarily need rectification via monopoly authority aka government. Are there limits to the “improvability” of this compelling non-market force?   Now, I assume that your policing authority must be a bureaucracy (or should I say brrr-eaucracy, given Tomasi’s icy imagery?). I use Laurent Carnis’s definition, which is universally applicable to public and private institutions. “Non-legitimately owned” means resources taken away from the taxed and put under the ‘stewardship’ of brrreaucrats:  “Bureaucracy is characterized by an organizational form whose non-legitimately-owned resources are allocated by one or more administrators (bureaucrats) according to a more or less elaborate system of rules whose origin and implementation are governed by command and control relationships.” Bureaucracy is the structural denial of the profit motive; and that leaves command and control. But even more importantly, as Mark Brady alluded to previously:  absence of legitimate property in resources means no exchange takes place that results in functional prices and, hence, no economic calculation is possible. This situation is inherent to brrreaucracies. True, a brrreau can ‘specialize’ technologically and expertly, even with an eye for improvability. But these brrreaucrats cannot account for their own existence or their allocations– economically. There is no profit and loss guide. No feedback from customers or competition. No rationality in terms of means to ends. NASA can put a man on the moon, indeed. But only in a way that is chaotic, destructive and deranged from a social perspective. What are the opportunity costs? Is it even logical to expect an uneconomic means, government, to rectify ‘externalities’? (Or do so in a way that justifies the real costs of its own existence?)  Thanks Damien.

          • Fallondaniel

            sorry about lack of paragraphs. didn’t anticipate

          • Damien RS

            1. You say “applicable to public and private” but then give definitions only applicable to government bureaucracies, not corporate ones, despite corporate ones having a large role in most people’s lives and generating their own large share of horror stories.  “Non-legitimately owned” begs questions under debate.  And if the public is deemed to ‘own’ the atmosphere (who else) and a system set up to regulate it, is it magically not a bureaucracy because it owns the air rather than taxing?

            2. “No feedback” and lack of prices is exactly the problem with externalities.  And there is feedback to government bureaucracies: democracy. There’s probably more feedback under a well-designed democracy than there is to an oligopolistic corporation.  And corporations really like those bureaucracies, despite all your alleged inefficiencies.  Cf. Ronald Coase on administration vs. transaction costs.

            3. Government intervention has visibily reduced externatilty effects; the burden of proof is on those like you to show that this is somehow a net negative.  Otherwise we’re being asked to value theory over experience.

          • Guest

            Indeed, corporations– which to some degree are legal fictions– can become bloated and irresponsive to consumers/shareholders. They may be too big to discern the market value of internal operations. The Board/CEO may rely on bureaucratic methods at this point in order to get accountability. But the distance from profit analysis may be too damaging. If there is a relative free market out there this company could suffer at the hands of consumers and/or competitors that run more efficient. This is also why corporate execs are some of the most anti-free market types. As soon as they get a chance to get a government contract or a protectionist policy from government, they will do so.  At least half of the history of regulation is about corporate favor at the expense of competition. Corporations like bureaucracy when that is the means afforded them by government interventions. Review GE ‘s relationship with the Pentagon, e.g.

            ‘Everybody owns the atmosphere’ is recourse to mysticism, I’m afraid. It invites tragedy of the commons, for one. Real ownership is analagous to real action: it is completely an individual phenomenon at its core. When you eat an apple, “We” aren’t all nourished!

            Democracy as a mechanism is not-economically-viable feedback. Majoritarian decisions are not even ethical– and are a certain devices for some to live at the forced expense of others. How is it that you think that somehow this opportunity to get something for nothing will lead to taking care of externalities?  The process itself expropriates and renders yet more property illegitimated and disconnected from economic calculation. It must add to the tragedy of the commons, etc.

            Wouldn’t you want to maximize the the amount of legitimate property and then see what is left over for unaccountability?  Why not use market formed courts and police first? Even you say that externalities are a problem associated with lack of ownership. Now, there is no utopia– there may still be actions to which there is no accountability. But do the negatives outweigh the positive externalities? And by what means do you have judge? 

            You want proof. But here is the rub. Economic theory exists prior to experience. It is the tool by which to deductively understand the problems of brrreaucracy. Economics does not and cannot operate like the natural sciences.

            I will look into this Coase thing. Thanks again.

          • Damien RS

             ”People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and
            diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public,
            or in some contrivance to raise prices.” — Adam Smith
            It’s not corporate CEOs who are against “free” or competitive markets, it’s businesses in general.  Rationally everyone wants a monopoly for themselves and a free market for everyone else.

            “No one owns the atmosphere” leads to tragedy of the commons.  “That guy over there owns it” leads to tyranny.  As for mysticism, do you think it’s mysticism to say shareholders own a corporation, or that partners own a business?

            One can just as well say economy theory is the tool by which to deductively understand the problems of markets.  But I see no common ground for productive argument.

          • John H

            “And corporations really like those bureaucracies, despite all your alleged inefficiencies.  Cf. Ronald Coase on administration vs. transaction costs.”

            Not really as the ability to measure performance and the clarity and consistency of the goal often differ substantially between the private sector and the government bureaucratic settings. See Hayek on the planning.

  • John H

    Where would you lump D. Friedman, with Rothbard or in his own camp?

  • Damien RS

    Of course, as far as liberals supposedly not valuing private economic freedom goes, there’s the classic positive liberty maneuver, pointing out that libertarians just care about freedom from other people[1], while social justice policies can be said to increase liberty *to* do things, or liberty from random threats.

    [1] Not long ago, a blogger tried defending the idea that it was okay to tax for national defense vs. other people, but not moral to tax to defend the Earth against a natural incoming asteroid that would wipe out all life. Several commenters call him soft on taxes, for conceding the military defense case. Non-libertarians found it all hilarious.

  • Thomas Hepplewhite

    Wow this man is smart.

  • JBaldwin

    Given my present status as a doctoral student pursuing a project of finding new defenses of economic (or more broadly, personal) liberty, I’ll be following this thread closely. To date, I’ve largely taken my cue from Lavoie and Chamlee-Wright’s “Culture and Enterprise,” in which they argue that markets can be viewed as “spiritual, in the sense that they involve the human spirit, personal expression, values, principles, moral commitments. They are not so much things that need to be measured as meanings that need to be narrated and interpreted.” I take this to mean that there is a new defense of liberty to be found in such a ‘reading’ of markets.

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  • PB

    “Bleeding heart libertarianism suggests a new research agenda.”

    It should suggest a new action agenda. If you believe that government should not be the active agent in addressing issues in society and that market and civil society actors should be the active agent, then you should be committed to being that active agent. The last thing we need are more libertarian tenured professors who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk. Libertarians should be the most prolific entrepreneurs. We should be in the midst of an entrepreneurial revolution led by libertarians to solve society’s problems. If that is not the case (and it isn’t) then you have to question why libertarians can’t find the motivation to act on their own belief system. If you are a libertarian, you shouldn’t be writing another irrelevant dissertation or academic paper, you should be writing a business plan. 

    • John H

      Why do you suggest that ideas in themselves don’t matter and that some other type of action and activity is required to qualify as entrepreneurial or part of leading some political/philosophical revolution. After all, it’s only if people change their views about what government can be that a different type of representative will populate the seats in Congress and legislative (and procedural) changes can occur. 

      I’m not sure how one change change bad government with a private business plan.

      • PB

        I never suggested that ideas don’t matter. I said that libertarians aren’t motivated to act on their beliefs. In the real world real problems need to be solved by real action.  If you don’t want government to act then you need to become the actor. That is after all the libertarian argument. It’s not just a bunch of theory, real people need to take real action to solve real problems. This is not an intellectual exercise. But from what I’ve seen people who believe in an active government are more entrepreneurial than libertarians who believe that the market should solve society’s problems. It’s a basic ‘practice what you preach” situation. Just like leftists who champion public schools but send their own kids to private schools, or leftist environmentalists who want to severely restrict our freedoms but who jet around the world and live in multiple mansions, libertarians say ‘let the market handle it’ and then rush off to their tenured position at some state university. Live what you believe, is that too much to ask?

        “I’m not sure how one [can] change bad government with a private business plan.”

        I’m shocked by that statement. But it explains a lot. I read a lot of blogs and websites that focus on entrepreneurship and the attitude there is the exact opposite. There is an optimism that individuals being entrepreneurial can change the world. I would expect that libertarians would be the standard bearers of that attitude, but they are deeply pessimistic, government-obsessed, and the opposite of entrepreneurial. Weird. If you are a libertarian and you are not an entrepreneur, then you are doing something wrong.

        • John H

          Fair enough, I was reading too much into your words.

          What I meant by the above quote is that if a private organization attempts to compete directly, in an area the government has claimed as it’s role/domain of action the private effort is typically not allowed, becomes largely a pseudo arm of government or just has no effect on what government is doing.

          One’s status as a libertarian is a political one, one’s status as an entrepreneur is independent of one’s politics.  I don’t see that it follows that libertarians must be entrepreneurial.

          • http://twitter.com/prbeckman prbeckman

            “I don’t see that it follows that libertarians must be entrepreneurial.”

            Well, someone needs to be entrepreneurial. The creative fount of a market economy is comprised of the many individuals who are driven and motivated to take action, to invent, to tinker, to build, to become entrepreneurs. Since libertarians are champions of the market economy, then libertarians should be motivated to lead the way and that means becoming entrepreneurs. If libertarian intellectuals don’t see the connection between their ideology and entrepreneurship then they have a serious problem. Do you expect collectivists to be more entrepreneurial? Shouldn’t libertarians be taking pride in how entrepreneurial they are? How can you expect non-libertarians to take the risks involved in making a market economy work when the libertarians who are egging them on are hiding in the comforts of academia? 

            Being an academic and being an entrepreneur are not mutually exclusive. Jeff Cornwall, business professor at Belmont U, spent time as an entrepreneur and now runs an entrepreneurship program at his university. Are the libertarian academics associated with this blog involved in their school’s entrepreneurship programs? If their school doesn’t have one are they taking the initiative to create one?

            “if a private organization attempts to compete directly, in an area the government has claimed as it’s role/domain of action the private effort is typically not allowed”

            This is the kind of thing that libertarians tell themselves to justify their passivity. “I can’t do anything because government won’t let me.” 

            When I discovered libertarianism I was excited that finally I had found a political movement that championed what I had always believed. But after a few years I realized that this movement was little more than a bunch of intellectuals engaging in some interesting discussions but no actions. This blog is a perfect example of that. I find the discussions fascinating but ultimately irrelevant. It’s mindboggling that self-proclaimed individualists don’t believe that individuals can make a difference because government won’t let them. This blog will of course ignore these kinds of problems. 

      • Damien RS

        OTOH, if “bleeding heart libertarians” make no compromise with government, then presumably the poor are to be helped only through trickle-down economics and charity.  It then becomes fair to ask if BHLs are themselves in the forefront of charitable action.

        • John

          I’m not sure BHLs are uncompromising regarding a role of government in social welfare solutions. They definitely question the implementation of such programs.

          For me, I look at the indirect aspects of endogenous solutions such as the mutual aide societies David Beito writes about and then look at existing federal solutions. For the mutual aide case there’s typically personal knowledge of each other and, for many, personal involvement in the delivery of the solution and in the clubs operations. What does this mean? That the people are directly involved in activities that directly translate into market society job requirements. Compare that to the current structure, what do those being helped get from the system? Their direct involvement teaches them skills related to navigating bureaucracies and demanding their “entitlement”. For the most part these are not skills that translate into any job.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Kervick/100000673155327 Dan Kervick

    Libertarians can be consequentialists, but they more often employ what we might call naturalistic forms of justification.

    Could someone explain to me what this means?  It seem to me that libertarians tend to rely on rationalistic techniques, appealing either to a priori principles or supposed intuitions into the existence on non-natural properties or relations.

    • JBaldwin

      Well, I hate to speak for someone else, but I took him to mean that the consequences of any particular policy are a secondary consideration to rights theory. In other words, a policy isn’t justified by its result, but by its adherence to a libertarian conception of rights.

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