Over at Knowledge Problem, Lynne Kiesling reproduces a nice quote from Friedrich Hayek’s essay, “Principles or Expediency” (1971):

From the insight that the benefits of civilization rest on the use of more knowledge than can be used in any deliberately concerted effort, it follows that it is not in our power to build a desirable society by simply putting together the particular elements that by themselves appear desirable. Though probably all beneficial improvements must be piecemeal, if the separate steps are not guided by a body of coherent principles, the outcome is likely to be a suppression of individual freedom.

The reason for this is very simple though not generally understood. Since the value of freedom rests on the opportunities it provides for unforeseen and unpredictable actions, we will rarely know what we lose through a particular restriction of freedom. Any such restriction, any coercion other than the enforcement of general rules, will aim at the achievement of some foreseeable particular result, but what is prevented by it will usually not be known. The indirect effects of any interference with the market order will be near and clearly visible in most cases, while the more indirect and remote effects will mostly be unknown and will therefore be disregarded. We shall never be aware of all the costs of achieving particular results by such interference.

And so, when we decide each issue solely on what appears to be its individual merits, we always overestimate the advantages of central direction. Our choice will regularly appear to be one between a certain known and tangible gain and the mere probability of the prevention of some unknown beneficial action by unknown persons.

I’m attracted to the point Hayek is making here, and it gets at some issues I’ve been thinking about regarding the gap between strict minimal state versions of libertarianism and more modest forms of classical liberalism (see here or here for my take on the distinction).  Here are some reflections, and questions.

  1. Suppose you believe in certain principles about the efficiency or morality of free markets.  I take it that the point of this quotation is to suggest that you should be marginally more radical in your commitment to those principles than you otherwise would be.  You might think you see exceptions to those principles, but you should, on reflection, doubt your ability to accurately identify those cases where the exceptions are genuine rather than merely apparent.  And so you should, at least in some cases,  stick with your commitment to free-markets even when you think you have good reason to deviate from that commitment.  The problem with a pragmatic approach is that, given constraints on our knowledge, such an approach just really isn’t that pragmatic.
  2. Hayek’s point is, naturally given the focus of his work, an epistemic one.  But it seems like a similar argument could be made on familiar public choice grounds.  Even if we think people can know when they’ve found an exception, we might not trust the institutional structures in which they operate to provide them with the right incentives to identify it accurately.  In other words, if we give government agents the power to identify and act on perceived exceptions to the rule of laissez-faire, we should expect them to abuse that discretion in order to serve their own interests.
  3. It seems to me that there are some affinities in this argument with Richard Epstein’s argument in Simple Rules for a Complex World.  The arguments are different, but both seem to push toward the conclusion that our actual legal rules should be less fine-grained than those that would be necessary to achieve “perfect justice.”
  4. Epstein, though, is no radical.  In fact, he’s gone on record criticizing more radical libertarians like Randy Barnett for being, well, too simplistic.
  5. And, of course, Hayek is no radical libertarian either.  While he certainly favored a much more libertarian set of policies than we have today, he nevertheless supported a state-financed social safety net (“an assured minimum income, a floor below which nobody need descend”), public support for orphans and others in extreme need, and mildly progressive taxation in order to fund these and other deviations from the night watchman state.  In fact, it’s hard to read through a single chapter of The Constitution of Liberty without coming across some program Hayek endorses that exceeds the bounds of the strict libertarian minimal state.  And Hayek took even greater pains to distance himself from radical libertarianism in The Road to Serfdom, writing that “probably nothing has done so much harm to the liberal cause as the wooden insistence of some liberals on certain rules of thumb, above all of the principle of laissez-faire capitalism.”
  6. How to make sense of the seeming tension between [1] and [5] above?  Perhaps chronology matters?  The quote we’re analyzing here comes from a 1971 essay.  The Constitution of Liberty, in contrast, was published in 1960.  And The Road to Serfdom in 1944.  Perhaps this essay represents Hayek changing his mind about just how strong a commitment to libertarian principles ought to be?  There can be no doubt that Hayek gradually moved in this direction toward the end of his life.  Is this idea about the strength of principles part of what drove that shift?
  7. Intellectual biography aside, should the idea Hayek expresses in this quote lead libertarians to become more radical?  Is it always unreasonable for lawmakers to betray a principle in order to “aim at the achievement of some foreseeable particular result”?  (Didn’t Jerry Gaus make an argument somewhat along these lines?)  Or does it depend on the importance and predictability of the result for which we’re aiming? Or the nature of the principle we’re betraying?  (Isn’t a good principle, partly, one that has been constructed in such a way as to not have important exceptions?)
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  • Anonymous

    Interesting post, Matt. You probably know much more about Hayek than  do, but at least in some cases his support for a limited social safety net is not out of any concern for “social justice,” but (paradoxically) a result of his aversion to coercion. Thus, in C of L (p. 286) he justifies his support for some form of mandatory retirement insurance on the practical grounds that in the absence of a self-insurance some people will not provide for their own retirement needs. Modern societies will not let these folks starve in their old age, and will employ coercion to force others to provide for them. By requiring people to self-insure you actually reduce coercion overall. 

    He thus adopts here the mere “utilitarianism of rights” condemned by Nozick with his notion of side constraints. I think this suggests that the answer to you question about the strength of our commitment to libertarian principles depends on the moral foundation that underlies those principles. Certainly a consequentialist will have more flexibility than a Randian of Nozickian, for example (although Nozick somewhat mysteriously leaves room for exceptions needed to avoid moral catastrophes).

    • Anonymous

      Hayek informed by Yogi Berra: “In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.” 

      In other words, the reason we want maximum freedom is to find out stuff we don’t know. But the reason we want new knowledge is that some knowledge is valuable…including some old knowledge, i.e., experience.

      Experience shows that pure laissez-faire brings a great deal of poverty, suffering, and early death. We know we can reduce these in the short run with some constraints on liberty, like progressive taxes that fund social benefits. Whether pure laissez-faire would reduce poverty and suffering even more in the long run is speculative; and experience shows the public is simply unwilling to tolerate that experiment. The majority insists on some safety net; it’s not a betrayal of libertarian principles either to recognize that the preference for a safety net is reasonably based on experience, or to work for the safety net that most efficiently blends beneficence, thrift, and liberty.

      • Anonymous

        You say, without citing a shred of evidence, “Experience shows that pure laissez-faire brings a great deal of poverty, suffering, and early death.” What “experience” do you have in mind? My study of history does not yield this conclusion at all. Please reveal what “laissez faire” societies you are citing and provide the empirical evidence that “shows” what you claim. I hope it is obvious to you that the relevant comparison is a particular laissez faire society with CONTEMPORARY non-capitalist economies. In other words, don’t bother comparing Victorian England vs. 21st century Sweden.  

        • Anonymous

          My new comment was supposed to be a reply to this one of yours. Sorry for missing the reply button.

      • Anonymous

        This comment gives me the perfect opportunity to vent about what I regard as a commonplace mistake in logic made by egalitarians (I do not accuse mphillips of it). The error consists of imagining that the quintessential laissez faire society was Victorian England, that life in that place and era was very harsh, and that accordingly  laissez faire will produce widespread misery. If you want an example of this, I offer Will Kymlicka’s popular textbook, Contemporary Political Philosophy  (2nd ed. 2001), at p. 123.

        There, he criticizes what he terms Nozick’s concept of “formal self-ownership” by arguing that the inequalities of bargaining power that may exist in a society governed by this principle “might well, as in Victorian England, be essentially equivalent to the enslavement of the worker.” Well, I do regard Victorian England as very close to laissez faire, andf I am quite sure that life there was harsh for many, but it was so because neither they nor anyone else had yet invented a way to provide cheap and plentiful electricity to every household, nor antibiotics, computers, aircraft, and other things that enable an economy to make quantum leaps in productivity.

        Although Kymlicka gives no evidence of understanding his unintended irony, Victorian England enjoyed, thanks to the Industrial Revolution, the highest standard of living in the world. See Angus Maddison, Monitoring the World Economy, 1820-1992 (OECD, 1995), Table 1-3. There was in Victorian England a large and growing middle class, so there is also very good reason to believe that the distribution of wealth there was less uneven than in other states (Adam Smith called England a “nation of shopkeepers”).

        Thus, liberals make a serious mistake when they confuse the poverty of (historical) societies in absolute terms with their success in the only realm that matters, i.e. relative performance.  So, three loud cheers for Victorian England and laissez faire capitalism.

        [NOTE, this is a follow-up comment to an earlier one.]

        • Anonymous

          Given the dearth of contemporary laissez-faire states, it seems the only evidence we’re going to get is comparing newer societies with older ones. The best comparisons will be the same society soon before and soon after some policy change, e.g., America in the decade before and the decade after introduction of Food Stamps. Plenty of malnutrition before, not much after.

          What’s an example of a modern laissez-faire society? Singapore? I don’t know much about their social safety net, except a quick google shows they have one:
          http://www.mcys.gov.sg/web/serv_E_PA.html

          “Singapore has a universal healthcare system where government ensures affordability, largely through compulsory savings and price controls, while the private sector provides most care.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Singapore

          Is there a more instructive example for comparison purposes?

      • Anonymous

        I agree with Mark Friedman’s question about your comment and would add one other question. Why do you think that those advocating a more libertarian society are advocating no safety net at all. One of the things that is at the heart of the discussion here is not safety net yes/no but rather what forms social safety nets should be taking.

        • Anonymous

          Actually my original comment was seconding Mark D. Friedman’s endorsement of Hayek’s endorsement of some kind of social safety net, based on putting pragmatism or utilitaran concerns over “pure” libertarian principles.

          • Anonymous

            I wasn’t endorsing Hayek’s idea, just describing it. See more below.

  • Anonymous

    I think the key point in favor of pragmatism in item #5 is item #2.

    I believe it’s absolutely true that “In other words, if we give government agents the power to identify and act on perceived exceptions to the rule of laissez-faire, we should expect them to abuse that discretion in order to serve their own interests.”

    Unfortunately the reverse is also true — if you give private agents the power to identify and exploit weaknesses in the rule of laissez-faire, we should expect them to abuse that discretion in order to serve their own interests as well.

    First of all while lip service is endlessly paid to laissez-faire, particularly when one is on their way up, and while peons to it are waxed nostalgic after one’s enterprises are thoroughly established, no self-interested party is going to consistently tolerate it when it interferes with one’s vested interests.

    Case in point: The private company Apple, Inc. takes active and adamant steps to prevent its customers from using the hand-held devices they purchased in ways that Steve Jobs does not see fit.  Yes, Apple uses state functions such as contracts, EULAs, patents, and civil suits to restrict use of its products.  But it also uses draconian and efficiency-impairing but entirely private-sided software and hardware engineering to make it as difficult as possible to use the products in ways they don’t want it used.  See iPhone, bricked.  Upshot: Apple actively and aggressively uses not only public but private means to generate exceptions to the rules of genuine laissez-faire in order to serve its own interests.

    Case in point: In turn neither Steve Jobs, nor Steve Wozniak, nor Bill Gates (for instance) were invited to the 1970s equivalent of the Davos Meetings.  And had they not been invited they would not have been allowed to come.  Sergey Brin nor Larry Page were invited to the Davos equivalent in the 1980s.  Mark Zuckerberg was not invited to the actual Davos in the 1990s (admittedly when he would have been about 12)… although through the combination of inherited (private) wealth and (private) family connections the Winklevoses likely could have easily gained access.  And yes, while the Davos organizers rely on the Swiss government and police to keep the grubby future Gates’s and Zuckerbergs out they rely far more on private security.  Upshot: even on the social dimensions (let’s not even talk about private and public equity dimensions) and even without resorting to state functions private individuals and institutions generate exceptions to the rule of laissez-faire in order to serve their own interests.  For the most part Jobs, Gates, and so on became well known not thanks to the laissez-faire entrepreneurial spirit of their predecessors but in spite of it.

    And finally let’s not overlook Alan Greenspan’s pathetic bafflement that the laissez-faire self-interest of actors in private financial markets did not coincide with the interests of the economy at large.

    For these and other… let’s call them “natural” impediments to the rules of laissez-faire (let alone what happens when private interests turn to rent seeking, as, say, the Koch brothers do, or to open gang warfare, or to private armies as Ron and Rand Paul seem to favor) it is impossible to achieve 100% libertarian/laissez-faire conditions. 

    For this reason I agree that a good libertarian should be marginally more radical in their commitment to those principles.  But to be a good radical one’s commitment should not extend to denying the existence of either friction or entropy.  That wouldn’t be radicalism, it would be fanaticism.  Hayek wasn’t fanatic, thus his radical position in #5.

    Speaking for myself, as a real radical libertarian, I’m as viscerally suspicious of private encroachment on laissez-faire as I am of state encroachment because, at the end of the day, they’re utterly indistinguishable.  (And yeah, yeah, enforced by monopoly on violence, blah, blah, blah.  Tell that to the “security” contractor for coal-company strike breakers who curb stomped Lauren Valle while moonlighting as a Rand Paul’s bodyguard.)

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_N6HQ4Y5ZPT4HGXE3EPX3Z7KH2E BerserkRL

    Well, a) Hayek used to tell people that he had to put welfare-state concessions in Constitution of Liberty in order to get the liberals to take it seriously; b) later works like Law, Legislation, and Liberty and Denationalisation of Money are a lot more radical than the earlier Constitution of Liberty; and c) he told Sudha Shenoy that if he were young, he’d be an anarchist. 

    • http://www.sandiego.edu/~mzwolinski Matt Zwolinski

      (a) is interesting – never heard that before.  You wouldn’t happen to have a source, would you?  Re, (b), I am generally in agreement, though there’s a lot of concessions to the welfare state even in LLL.  The bit about a guaranteed minimum income, for instance, comes from page 88 of vol. 2.  

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_N6HQ4Y5ZPT4HGXE3EPX3Z7KH2E BerserkRL

        A source for which — (a) or (c)?

        One source for (c) is:  http://mises.org/daily/1393/media.aspx?action=author&ID=467

        Re (a):  in the book itself (p. 402 of the old edition) he says that he personally opposes many of the welfare-state concessions he makes, but that he makes them for (what we would now call) “public reason” reasons.  But I’ve read later quotes from him that make the concessions sound much more pragmatic.  Can’t find one at the moment.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_N6HQ4Y5ZPT4HGXE3EPX3Z7KH2E BerserkRL

        A source for which — (a) or (c)?

        One source for (c) is:  http://mises.org/daily/1393/media.aspx?action=author&ID=467

        Re (a):  in the book itself (p. 402 of the old edition) he says that he personally opposes many of the welfare-state concessions he makes, but that he makes them for (what we would now call) “public reason” reasons.  But I’ve read later quotes from him that make the concessions sound much more pragmatic.  Can’t find one at the moment.

  • http://twitter.com/Rhubarb8 Rhubarb

    Jim Manzi has gotten a lot of miles out of #1 – libertarianism by paralysis.  Of course, the same argument can be used for any deviation from the status quo, even from a market-distorting status quo.  Any change in policy is a risk and anyone who has a story about how things might be given a policy change should brace themselves for being wrong, at least occasionally.  I don’t really see how this leads one to make one decision versus another instead of just being frozen by an conveniently inflated sense of humility.

    • Anonymous

      No, Hayek’s point does not argue for illiberal, but existing laws.  He is saying that since liberty is useful because free people can do new, unexpected things, which cannot be guessed in our legislative deliberations. This means /any/ restriction on liberty whether old or new, has an opportunity cost.  It’s true you can also make a related, but distinct argument says that since we know that the status quo, though imperfect, is much better than a random set of institutions, and since any new law will have unpredictable effects, then we should favour the status quo.

      So that’s one reason to prefer liberty, and one to prefer conservity, the Tea Party wins 2-0!  I would add that both considerations above should only bias our judgements, not determine them.  We need not be “frozen” because a strong enough argument can overcome either bias.

      • Damien S.

        A leftist counter would be that to really do things, you need means and not just freedom, and so if you’re using novelty and unexpectedness as your justification, then it behooves you to see that most people actually have means.  A left-libertarian would note that property is itself a restriction on liberty; it enables some things, by motivating long term investment, but also cuts other people off from access.  Even more so for intellectual “property”, which restricts the natural liberty to make copies in the cause of providing a temporary and profitable state-created monopoly.

        Tradeoffs, horrible horrible tradeoffs.

        • Anonymous

          Why does it have to be a “state created monopoly”? Why can’t I sell the book subject to a contractual agreeement that you not make copies, or that you pay me X for every copy? This is not “state created” and may not even require state enforcement if we live in a world of private protective agencies which give me practical enforcement rights against violators. If we live in a state-free and agency-free world, our contract still gives me the moral right to enforce it against violators. You don’t have a “natural liberty” to violate your agreement with me.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_N6HQ4Y5ZPT4HGXE3EPX3Z7KH2E BerserkRL

            Right, but for familiar reasons it won’t provide the same protections as IP.  (I think that’s a good thing; others will think it’s a bad thing.)  First, it doesn’t constrain third parties.  For another, assuming that the remedy for violation of service contracts is money damages rather than specific performance, it doesn’t permit injunctions against copying.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_N6HQ4Y5ZPT4HGXE3EPX3Z7KH2E BerserkRL

            Right, but for familiar reasons it won’t provide the same protections as IP.  (I think that’s a good thing; others will think it’s a bad thing.)  First, it doesn’t constrain third parties.  For another, assuming that the remedy for violation of service contracts is money damages rather than specific performance, it doesn’t permit injunctions against copying.

          • Anonymous

            The main point of my comment, which you appear to agree with, is that the ethical justification for intellectual property rights does not rest on the existence of the state. IP rights would exist even in a state of nature by means of contract between an author and all purchasers. J.K. Rowling would still get filthy rich in a state of nature by means of a morally unobjectionable process. 

            This contract could provide whatever the author desired, and potential purchasers could either take it or leave it. So, the contract could provide that the purchaser would have to pay the author a specified amount in damages if the book fell into a third party’s hands, who then made unauthorized copies. The contract could also provide for specific performance in the case of a breach. Again, take it or leave it. The contract could also provide that the book was only leased to the “buyer” for 99 years, and that if it fell into the hands of an unauthorized third party, the lease ends, and all ownership rights would immediately revert to the author.

          • Anonymous

            I leave it.  You’ll be outcompeted, left in the dust, by states with copyright laws, by people without an obsession for contracts.

            I write a book, have 1,000 copies printed, sell it for $12.95 at a retail outlet.  I make $5 per copy, printers and retailers get the rest.  My 1,000 copies sell to people, who keep them in their collections, throw them away, lose them, resell them, etc.  I have my $5,000.  I have the right to print more, should I so choose.  Someone takes my book, copies it with a copy machine or types in word for word, somehow produces copies, I don’t care.  Those copies get sold, I charge them with copyright violations, I show the version that I authorized and theirs and point out “that ain’t it.”  I don’t care if the copier is selling it or someone else.  You sell a bootleg, you run the risk of fines or jail.

            You want to sell your book to 1,000 people.  You want to have 1,000 different contracts with 1,000 different people.  Your libertarian buddy has his own book, and he writes up his own contract with somewhat different terms.  So I go to the libertarian section of the bookstore, I’d better be prepared to read a lot of contracts before I even think about buying a book.

            You, potentially, want to hire a private eye to track down any or all of your copies.  One of your copies gets stolen by a third party, who bootlegs it?  Can you go after the third party with contracts and no copyright law?  No, you go after the person who bought the book from you, who has the contract, who has nothing to do with the bootlegging.

            Good Luck.

          • Anonymous

            Just to be clear, I’m not saying that I want the state to legislate IP rights, or that I think authors would be better off without state involvement. I was only defending an author’s moral right to profit from his/her own creation, which exists (I claim) independently of actions taken or not taken by the state in this arena. The state’s involvement (or not) will simply affect the means by which an author enforces this moral right.

          • Anonymous

            Maybe.  I think people understand the general moral idea.  But copyright and patent are relatively advanced ideas on the societal spectrum, and probably no areas of law are greyer.

            Copyright law is just that, the right to make copies.  The author has no control over copies he/she sells, except that further copies may not be made.  The purchaser can do anything they want with the purchase, including reselling it and lending it out library-style.

            The author might prefer that used book stores and libraries were outlawed and that every reader be forced to buy a new copy.  Understandable sentiment, but that probably encroaches too much on the property rights of the purchaser.

            Some have argued for more expansive patent/copyright rights, some don’t think they should exist at all.  Like I said, big grey area.  Restricting “Let’s Get Ready To Rumble” goes too far, IMO.  Should the inventor of the Fosbury Flop have been able to collect royalties?  In few other areas can a convincing argument be made on both sides so easily.  This makes patent/copyright not very receptive to a “natural law” framework.

        • Anonymous

          Yep.  And I’m not even left-libertarian.  However, the means argument is a bit neutral on the left-right axis.  For example, redistributive tax is a good thing, but it does reduce the means that new small businessespeople have available for growing their enterprise.  Is that compensated for by the extra means it gives the poorest?

          Today’s excessive IP is another example of why I lean towards liberty: you could say that it gives authors &. inventors “means and not just freedom”, but now it is frequently used deny people the plain-old freedom to innovate.

  • Anonymous

    Conclusion #1 does not follow logically from Hayek’s claim, though I suppose it depends on the meaning of “…you otherwise would be…”.  As a dyed-in-the-wool (classical) liberal, all my political opinions *start* with a slant.   If I’m asked for a utilitarian justification for this slant, I would use Heyek’s argument.  But it would be double-counting to apply the argument again to say that I should be even more slanted. 

    • http://www.sandiego.edu/~mzwolinski Matt Zwolinski

      Yeah, what I had in mind was something like this.  Suppose you read Hayek’s “Use of Knowledge” piece and were convinced by it that a free price system conveys useful knowledge, and that as a result we have a strong reason not to interfere with that system by, say, instituting price ceilings through rent control.  But you also think that there are certain socially desirable goals that rent control might promote, and that in some circumstances perhaps these goals are important enough to outweigh the Hayekian case.  My point was that Hayek’s Principles/Expediency argument seems to give you an *additional* reason to reject price controls in such cases: one reason to reject them is that they subvert the knowledge-conveying role of prices, but *another* is that you’re likely to overestimate the benefits/underestimate the costs of your particular intervention.  In philosophy-speak, I think of the Use of Knowledge argument as a kind of first-order reason to support a free price system, whereas the Principles/Expediency argument gives us a kind of second-order reason: a reason to discount the first-order reasons we think we have that count in favor of interfering in the price system.

      • Anonymous

        I think you make a great point but agree with Dshapiro’s point about better examples. In addition, we need to acknowledge that the price system doesn’t convey complete information–it’s not sufficient and even with market prices central planning doesn’t work. There are other localized knowledge sets that come into play in understanding what market prices really signal. For instance, in a declining industry you might expect to see a period of declining prices as demand goes away, and then a period of rising prices as suppliers start departing faster than consumers. The price signal is not that there’s some shortage of producers because we moved to a point where that industry is not making anything like a market return and the price rise is just moving it closer to that point.

        I really think the better examples are to be found in more complex cases where we look to capital goods pricing and investment to meet future demands. A more complex case that will rely on more than just price signals (final goods, intermediate goods and raw inputs) and the specialized and localized knowledge (maybe adding Hayek’s idea of inarticulate knowledge to that of prices) in understanding how markets can be more self-correcting and socially oriented in terms of meeting the “average Joe’s” needs.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry for delay in replying.

    Experience is basically pre-New Deal and pre-Great Society America. Child labor, dangerous workplaces for children and adults, no workers’ compensation, poverty in old age was the norm. Before Food Stamps malnutrition was routine among the American poor. The Clean Air Act has been a great success at improving air quality in metro areas, e.g., Los Angeles, Birmingham. I suppose mentioning healthcare could spawn a whole new set of blogs, but it’s undeniable that the European-Canadian statist approach has at least some advantages.

    No counterfactual example that I know of, but despite all its problems, it’s difficult to imagine we’d be better off without publicly funded education.

    • Anonymous

      Just a reminder, you started with the sweeping, undconditional statement that, “Experience shows that pure laissez-faire brings a great deal of poverty, suffering, and early death.” Nothing you’ve said comes close to showing this. “Pre-New Deal” means the Great Depression, a normal recession turned into a huge disaster by idiotic governmental policies. I have news for you, but we were all not living in darkness pre-New Deal or pre-Great Society, and then the light magically went on–far from it. You are making here excactly the mistake I described regarding Victorian England, comparing economies from different eras based on different levels of science and technology.

      For a society to enjoy clean air and to provide a social safety net, it must first achieve a certain level of prosperity, which then allows it to trade-off additional growth (and wealth) for these other goods. China has not yet reached this tipping point, which is why they don’t care about clean air or have entitlement programs. But, if you think that progress started in this country with the New Deal, you are very, very sadly mistaken. According to the “ Historical Statistics of the United States, Colonial Times to 1957 published by the U.S. Department of Commerce (1960), p. F 1-21, the per capita income in this country (measured in 1957 dollars) was $204 in 1890, $349 in 1910, and $740 in 1930 (down from $857 in 1929) and $1876 in 1950. I haven’t stopped to calculate the annual growth rate implied by these numbers, but just eyeballing it, I suspect it beats what we have had since the inception of the Great Society. So even without the detailed guidance from the great geniuses who run the state and its bureaucracies, we poor dumb commoners were somehow making progress back in the day.

      Finally, it may be necessary to provide publicly financed education for children from impoverished backgrounds, but this in no way implies that we must send them to government-run schools.  

  • Henry Scuoteguazza

    I’m glad I found this blog because I think my approach is compatible with what I’ve seen here. Although my comments below address Rand’s concept of individual rights and the proper role of government I think they also apply to the libertarian position which supports only negative rights while denying the existence of positive rights. I’m not a professional philosopher so I realize my “argument” could stand some tightening. (I posted a version of this on my blog, Check Your Premises.)
     
    I believe there is a basic issue that libertarians and Objectivists gloss over or ignore completely: if someone is unable to support their own life due to severe handicaps, do they die unless someone voluntarily intervenes? Or, do they deserve some kind of protection? Tara Smith comes the closest to recognizing this issue in her Moral Rights & Political Freedom in footnote 1 of Chapter 1, What Rights Are, where she says: “I am leaving aside questions concerning the rights of exceptional groups of people such as the mentally retarded, insane, senile and children.” These groups are not addressed elsewhere in her book. I’m not aware of this issue being addressed elsewhere in the Objectivist literature.
     
    I recall a lecture course Leonard Peikoff gave years ago in which he made a point about humans having metaphysical independence, meaning that we are born with the capacities and capabilities we need to live on our own. I think this idea leads to some interesting implications.
     
    The Objectivist literature is silent on one key point related to metaphysical independence. (I am not familiar enough with the libertarian literature to say whether someone has already made a similar argument to mine so I’m not claiming originality here.) We play no role in whether we were born with the proper equipment to be metaphysically independent. Therefore, the Objectivist and libertarian position amounts to saying, “Those who were born with the necessary equipment will have their rights protected. Those who do not have this capability are on their own.” While we are responsible for how we employ our abilities we ultimately had nothing to do with the hand we were dealt when we were born. I believe the survival of those unfortunate people who are unable to support themselves due to severe handicaps, injuries, etc, should not be subject to the whims of those around them who were more fortunate.
     
    Thus I see two roles for government. One role is to protect the metaphysical independence of those who possess it. The second role is for government to ensure a minimum level of existence for those who do not have the minimum necessary conditions for metaphysical independence by asserting positive rights. It’s the least we can do out of benevolence and as a way of recognizing our good fortune versus theirs. The kind of support I envision does not threaten the metaphysical independence of those who have it but could entail some level of taxation.
     
    Objectivists and libertarians are understandably leery of accepting even this minimal level of assistance for fear that it undercuts their absolute moral opposition to welfare (and taxes). It also opens them up to sticky questions of where do you draw the line on who should or shouldn’t receive aid. The basic question is whether their position on positive rights is right. I think a case can be made for modifying the libertarian approach to rights.

    • Anonymous

      You advocate sacrificing the freedom of individuals who had no part in creating troubles for other people. That’s where you go wrong. Who decides when it is appropriate to sacrifice the freedom of a non-aggressor for the sake of someone else? Do you have the right to decide for others? Do others have the right to decide for you? Will this not result in endless abuses against innocent individuals? Look at the world around you.

      You only have the right to decide for yourself. In my view, that’s the correct libertarian position.

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