Here. Eric Winsberg, Chris Surprenant, and I talk to John Faithful Hamer about the quarantine, precautionary principles, political incompetence, civil liberties, the problems with the data and models policy-makers relied upon, how lockdowns are a limited and vanishing resource, and the surprising fact that governments around the world have not yet done the kinds of studies we would need to know just how dangerous COVID-19 is and what we should actually do about it.